Monday, May 31, 2021

Untoward side effect of vaccines to a fellow senior

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.31.2021




A close bike mate related his story about AZ vaccine and he said he got chills, fever, shortness of breath and other side effect usually expected from vaccine.

That is why I told him I am hesitating to have vaccines.   Vaccines as we all know, work by provoking the body prepare antibodies vs virus.  The old method was to inject inert inactive or dead virus;  the new method is via MRNA, ie producing parts of the virus, in this case the spike of the corona to induce body to produce soldiers to combat the real virus when it infects the body.   

In his case, he being a senior like me 70 y.o, it is natural for me him to get side effect.  Furthermore he has co morbidities -  high BS, prostrate, and other complaints.

Fellow senior, would you like to be vaccinated?

Met SNY, friend of VM brod, and brother of deceased barkada

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.31,2021

I met this morning at Wawa, SNY (Sonny Sulit) close friend of my brod VM with 2 of his current bike friends.  They were on MTB.  He was a former RBiker and is resuming physical fitness.  He said he just goes around Angono:   at subdivision and mountain destinations:   Mahabang Parang, DOMSA, Botong Francisco and Eastridge.

I suppose he is now Senior too and its nice to know that he is into biking and physical fitness

Coffee shops abound

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.31.2021




The success and high consumption of expensive coffee in the likes of Coffee Bean, Coffee Project, Starbucks and the pandemic has encouraged (together with Milk Tea) the growth and proliferation of coffee shops at biking sites:

1.  Cafe in the Sky at Botong Francisco
2..  Coffee shop at Unamonte going to East Ridge
3.   Coffee shop at Antenna (midway)
4.  Coffee shop at Quarry Road
5.  Coffee shop at Mahabang Parang
6.  Coffee  shop in Tagpos

Many entrepreneurs.  Many agile individuals - matching the huge number of cyclists these days

Dangerous incidents last Sunday

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.31..2021





I experienced two dangerous incidents last Sunday.

1.  As I was leaving for the destination ride, a lady biker overtook me from the right and we were close on colliding.    I had to say a few words to her that overtaking from the right is illegal and dangerous, and unthinkable 

2.  Going home on the same spot I was all ready in the midline about to make a left turn and a speeding MC overtook me.  (well from the left - we could have collided too)

A lot of mindless non safety conscious riders abound.   Let us be careful.  A number of celebrity has died in USA due to car crash.  

Let us pray they do not happen here.  

Friday, May 28, 2021

First class repair job by Mario Toledo made an old bike brand new - sharp and responsive

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.28.2021



One of the famous names among bike mechanics is Mario Toledo who lives at July St., Crystal East Subdivision at Mambog Binangonan Rizal.  But to reach him, you have to ride up 3 steep hills which is by itself a challenge.  He charges reasonably well.

For servicing the hubs (the free hub which took time to fabricate the springs which were all ready weak) and the front shock (replacing the rubber seals with DIY seals cut from tubes - because not was available)
cleaning the springs, and refiling with oil)  The BN hub repair kit  just axle and cone costs P3,100 at an electronic e commerce.  Other hubs would set you back by P6k to P10 k (if you get the straight pull and with center lock)

The improperly set hubs (not the cones trouble) caused all the wobble and the friction on the rear wheels.  Now the bike is running like brand new - sharp and responsive   A good mechanic makes for a good bike and bike ride   Find a good one for your bike

The front shock, provided it will not do river crossing would be good for a year, and the hubs for another five years.    

Thank you Mario for a good job.   

Why investing in Japanese GS is a good and wise decision

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.28.2021






I encountered several riders who bought cheap MTBS with funny sounding GS and several weeks after, the shifter dont work anymore:  the front shifters are busted.

Early on this post invested in top of the  line GS - Shimano XT and  while they were cheap then, they are expensive now.  They work well, do not wear out soon enough and are trustworthy.  Shifts still remain sharp and fast.   I am glad this post did.  

Give me one good reason why I should buy a P19K mtb on a promo with 13 speed gear set

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.28.2021

I went to the bikeshop of a fellow kapadyak who advertised for a P19K promo bike which has 13 speed.  I recently bought a cf MTB.  This is normally priced at 25k.  It has an RL, air shock, one by and 13 speed RD.  It comes with a Chinese RD and cogs

I asked him give me two good reasons why I should buy, or anyone?  Well because it is 13 speed (What is the difference in ride experience for 10, 11, 12 or 13 speed.   

Well maybe none.   

Trending bike lanes - more work has to be done

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.28.2021





Because of the huge number of bikers, bike lanes were hurriedly legislated on, budgets set aside and massive building started.  However as I tried the bike lanes this week end in going to KM 0.

     1.   A bike lane in a minor road in a MM city (but fabulous bike lane in CBD) has bike lanes that
           is rutted, dotted with depressed manhole covers, and I would rate this to be dangerous.  I had to
           swerve and avoid this

    2.  Bike lane in a road in a premier city is non existent in market place -  having been occupied 
         by parking and market stalls.

    3.  In Manila, there is no bike lane at Roxas blvd. but there are on both wings in side streets, service
         road, and sidewalk along Roxas blvd.

This would caution fellow bikers:  The bike lane does not guarantee safety and exclusive use of the lane:

    1.   MC and other MV continue to use the bike lane for their travel;
    2.  MV suddenly stop at bike lanes park, and open their doors.
    3.  There are counterflows by fellow bikers at bike lane and there could be head on collision

A lot more work has to be done in terms of 1.  infrastructure,   2.  education of bikers, other users
3.  enforcement.

We are still experiencing birthing pains in bike lanes.  

Tuesday, May 25, 2021

Near misses lately - encounter with fellow MTB riders and motorized tricycles

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.25.2021

I had two near misses lately.   One was yesterday.   A fully loaded tricycle from nearby town just darted out from his parking on the sidewalk.  He did not bother to look to the left, nor listened (as we were taught in the elementary)   I had to do an exit maneuver - sudden brake and swerving to the left to avoid a collision.  

Then last week, an MTB overtook me from the right, while I was about to make a right turn.  We were mm away from a collision

A motorized tricycle with no plate number overtook me (from the left)  However it was very close and he did this several times with other vehicles. 

This post keeps encountering vehicles overtaking from the right, then suddenly cutting in from the  right to my surprise.  I taught overtaking from the right is illegal.   Many illiterate drivers roaming the streets.

We continue to pray to the Lord to keep us from harm and accidents.   


Getting used to the two by set up with a 29er

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.25.2021




This post is testing his 29er two by set up:(34 and 24 front chain rings  11 -42 rear cogs combination)     first with a long ride to MM,, and second, hard climb to Antenna hill.   Anxious about chain falling off, and shifting malfunction.     Fortunately there was none;   the set up was DIY and has not been inspected tested by a bike mechanic.  How would the bike hold out vs conventional set up.

1.  On the flat. - I was even ahead of the group at 34 x 10.  If you compute:   34//10  =  3.4 x 29 inches =  98.6 gear inches nearly near to a 53/12 x 27 = 119.  Of course there is still a 19 gear inches difference.  However, this is tough on the calf muscles.  

Now this is the reason why MTBs overtake even RBs on the ride..   

I computed with an Engineer these gear ratios.

If you have a 38 chain ring in front and you have 10 smallest gear at the back  (SRAM has 9), you have 38/10 =   3.8 x 29  =   110.   Then you are at par with a RB with 53t front chain ring   

2.  Going up  -  I tried the set up at Antenna hills where the climbs are stiff and steep.  I stayed at 34 (the primary gear of the two by) and used mostly 34 x 34, and 34 x 36.  I did not have to shift at 42   I did not shift to the 24 (No 1) gear.

I am happy with the bike performance.  Going two by was just keeping up with the trend, and experiencing what other MTB riders are experiencing,  

Wednesday, May 19, 2021

Chain kept jumping off, and chain rub at FD and other fitment pains of 2 b by

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.19.2021



The chain kept falling off the front chain ring.  I was tempted to go to the LBS mechanic.  
I found out the cause - the high position of the front derailleur relative to the largest chain ring.  Since the large chain ring has been removed, the clearance between the lower edge of the FD and the tooth line of the chain ring should be at least 2 mm (a coin thickness)  The current clearance is about 150 mm.  

So I lowered the front derailleur.  

Furthermore, there is a chain rub that would not diisappear despite the adjustment of the limit screws.  There is where the barrel adjuster was useful.  I turned it CC or CCW until the sound disappeared.

Two problems solved..  No need to go to the mechanic.



Tuesday, May 18, 2021

Knowledge of use of limit screws for fd and rd, and barrel adjusters a must for diy bike owners with one by or two bys

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.18.2021

Happy birthday to my deceased brother Sixto who could be in heaven.   

I gained a lot of experience as did a DIY two by set ups lately;  installing Deckas 34t as the main drive, removing the 42 t, and retaining the 24 granny gear.

You encounter a lot of challenges:   the FD would not shift to the granny gear,  the FD would not shift to the 34t.    The chain falls off and jams the smallest gear (11) and or falls off the largest gear.  Or that the 
gears are noisy.   

How do you deal with them?  Mechanics call it turning

Actions of the limit screws:   fd and rd, and barrel adjuster.

RD (rear derailleur) limit screw

   `1.  Top is the high gear (smallest gear) marked high limit screw, lower one is for the lowest gear
           (marked HI)

         HI - turning clockwise brings the the chain to the left, away from the smallest gear; turning this
                 counter clockwise brings the chain to the right.     Thus if the chain is falling off, you turn
                  the limit screw to the right - clockwise.  If the chain remains at next gear, instead of the 
                  lowest,  you turn the limit screw counter clockwise (to the left)

       LO -  turning this to the left brings the chain further to the left and may cause the chain to fall off
                 So if the chain is falling off, you turn the screw to the right.  If the chain does not shift to 
                 the biggest (aside from the cable being loose) it could be a limit screw maladjustment.  Turn
                 this CCW (the left)

FD.

      HI  - controls the outer movement of the FD, its of the guide relative to the chain ring.    Turning
               this CC brings in the guide inwards and prevents the chain falling off when in high (the
               biggest chain ring)   Turning this CCW (to the left lets the guide move farther to the right.  
               So if the  FD does not allow the big ring shift, you loosen (turn the HI) screw left CCW

    LO  -   controls the movement of the guide relative to the low gear.  (smaller ring).  Turning this 
              CCW (left) moves the guide inwards  nearer the frame.  So if the FD does not shift to the 
               smaller gear, turn this CCW to the left)  If the chain falls off, turn the screw to the right  (CC)

Barrel adjuster:

           Before fixing the cable, turn the adjuster clockwise until it stops and then turn CCW about 4 
            turns for eventual adjustment.   This is used for really fine tuning of the cable especially
            if the gears are noisy. 

           Turning the barrel left  CCW tightens the cable and moves the chain inward;  turning this 
           clockwise moves the chain outward (to the right)   Turn the front barrel adjuster until the noise
            disappears.

Mastering the above is a matter of simplex algorithm - trial and error.   

Monday, May 17, 2021

Upgrades of two MTBs complete - mostly Do It Yourself

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.15.2021










This post has completed all the planned upgrades of his MTB - mostly done cheap and at hisi own effort.  This reflects the higher level of technical skill, and the longings of a bike rider to be better everyday - indeed fulfilling one of our mandates as a creature and as a creature.

The upgrades where:
1.  Bigger cogs from 11-36 to 11 - 42.;   for added lower gears in ascent/climbs
2.  Bigger front disc rotor from 160 to 180 mm for greater braking power
3.  Two by set up from 3 by using Deckas chain ring.

The upgrades were a result of seeing a barrage of ads at a social media and e commerce platform; tantalizing you with their cheap price and availability and how these stuff will make you look better.

1.  Cogs -  I bought the S brand from an on line seller a biker too;  He told me his experience that the installation is straightforward - remove the old cog using the cog removal tool, install and presto.  No need for goat link or additional chain link (for as long as you have long cage RD).  No need to adjust the rd settings.   It cost me P1,000 each.   I bought two.   True enough the installation was simple and straightforward.  No need to go to mechanic if you have crank removal tool.

The move gives you added 6 teeth (from 36) and other power when in difficutl climbs (say Mahabang Parang or quarry road)  and gets your bike ready for one by.

2.  Brakes - for extra braking power.  I was first tempted to buy quad piston brakes which cost P3k for a W brand and no less than P12K for an S brand.  But other riders said that gains can be minimal because only 30% of brake pad area is increased;  the brake pad is costly;  uses a lot of oil, is difficult to bleed.  The cost differential is about 500%

And so this post opted for the increase of braking area from 160 to 180 mm.   The cost is very minimal.  One floating disc 180 mm 3Pro is only P400.00 plus the adapter priced at P143 each.  

The process is again simple and straightforward.  Remove the old disk using a Torx tool (number T25)  This is where my tool box of 46 pieces came in handy.  The torx screws could not be removed with handheld tool.   They were tough screws to remove.    Then replace the disk rotor after carefully cleaning the disc hole of oil and grime.   The fiddly thing is the adjustment of spacers   And centering the brakes.   

3.   Two by set up.    This post ordered Deckas chain ring with wide narrow teeth; 34 t  I will do the two by because it has wider range (since you retain the 24 granny gear) and literature at the net says it is the best set up and is longer lasting 

  As for the gears, at 34 t front chain ring and 10 cogs at the rear, you achieve a high end gear inches of 34/10 =  3.4 x 29 =  98.6  nearly same ratio of a road bike with 50 x 12. = 41.66 x 27  =   112.   I would have achieved this with 36 front chain ring   3.6 x 29 = 104.4 (No wonder  29ers even with one by are fast).  

For the low end using a granny (24t)  I would achieve  24/42 = .57 x 29 (a super low2 gear).  Even at 34, the low end ratio would be .809  (less than one)

There is dearth of literature on 2by set up;   even mechanics and other rabid MTB could not say much on the 2bys system (we are just following the RB set up)  But I am confident of the fact that when
I have to have a much lower gear (lower than one offered by one by) I could always count on a granny
chain ring.  I have seen many elderly who went on an outwardly looking one by but had a reserve 24 chain rin,  

The process is more complicated.  

      1.  Remove the crank set from the BB.  Remove the pedal for ease of work
      2.  Remove the chain ring.  It is more difficult for the xt because the old model crank requires
           that you counter the counter sink nut with a stopper (they say you can use a screwdriver but
           it keeps on slipping) And you need a T30 torx (glad I had the toolbox with torx set).  Initially
           this post thought this required at  T25 or T27.  But the T30 is perfect.

     3.  Next step is to determine the the placement of the Deckas 34 T.   Initially I thought this would 
           be outside of the spider.  But this would be far away from the 3rd gear (the 24t) and this would
           position the chain ring at the former location of 42t.  Initiallly this post thought that the  XT 
           will not accept the Deckas.  

           But installing this behind the spider would be perfect fit:    It would be in the 2nd position of 
           the FD shifting;  and near the 24t (the #1)

     4.  And so this post thought so  But he protrusion of the crank bolt caused the chain to jump 4x
          every revolution  Rather than filing or sanding the protrusion, the post reversed the installation
          of the crank bolt  - with the flatter head on the inside and the protrusion on the outside.  Not 
          good looking but its the cheapest solution.   

    5.  And then adjusting the FD.

        1.  Screw in the high limit screw (at the outside) all the way in so that you cant shift to #3, and
              have the chain fall off.

       2.  Loosen the low screw so that the chain will fall off to Number 1. (the grannie).  You have to
            to make the adjustment, because the chain ring Deckas being wide narrow will not cause chain
            fall off on the lower gear.   The adjustment will bring the chain guide to the farthest end and the
            therefore the shift to take place.  

All in all the upgrade cost me (for the two MTB)
  
     1.  Cogs S brand   11 - 42   @ P1,000  x 2                                            2,000.00
     2   Deckas    round, 34t  @ 290 x 2                                                          580.00
     3.  3 Pro 180 mm rotor    @ 440 x 2                                                         880.00
     4.  Adapter     143 x 2                                                                                286.00
     5.  Tool box 46 pcs                                                                                    280.00

                                                                  Total                                           4,026.00
     
One kapdyak  I know spent P4,000 on the Sunrace cogset alone   My cost covered 3 upgrades:

    1.  Cogset
    2.  Braking system
    3.  Two by set up

My cost is a mere 1/4 of a quad piston, or 1/5   SRAM or Shimanao upgrade kit.  (about P20K)

The results on my riding?

     I could not tell much now. 

    1.  For the 11 - 42 - effortless riding;
    2.  For the braking system - I am still bedding them in.
    3.  For the two by set u -  lighter by a few hundred grams.  Great cosmetic.
         Unless I hit the trail, I would not be able to appreciate the benefits of a two or one by system

         Again, my upgrading is a result of:
   1. Desire to being better, or desire for having a better set up;
   2.  Being competitive with other fellow bikers.
   3.  Being a sucker for ads (being  marketing man)

Sunday, May 9, 2021

Great weight to shave MTB weight - investing in Ultra Light tires

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.09.2021
















I just read that there are two ultralight tire brands  that can shave up 500 to 600 grams from your current tires:

    1.  Innova ultralight
    2.   Chao Yang   120 tpi. 

Chinese manufacturers have really invested a lot of R ^&   D to offer better products to bikers.  

They just weigh about 345 grams for a  29er.   It is an opportunity too good to let go.   

both have Kevlar technology for 0 puncture.   Again a 1 kg savings for both tires look great.  But I just bought new tires.    

May be that will be good after a year or two.   The innova tires for Twitter may be light enough.   

Some of the upgrades being marketed at e commerce - are they really functional and needed apt for my age?

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
4.09.2021





I have been browsing a lot lately the e commerce for the following:

1.  Much lighter suspension fork that could set you back by about  P5k to P10k  (a brain suspension can set you back by about a P100K)
2.   A quad piston brake system  (a low end Shimano generic would cost about P9 to P20K, a Weapon by about P3K (but critics say this isi not good)
3.  A one by upgrade 11 to 12 speed (with RD, shifter, cogset and crank)  would set you back by P15 -20k for SRAM, and almost same amount for Shimano

But really do I need these for my age;  maybe I have illusion of being a trail rider and with dream of still continuing to ride for the next 20 to 30 years.  I pray I will be able to do that still.  

I am tempted.   

Completed most of my wants for the MTB

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.09.2021






Happy Mothers day.

This post has completed most of the wants for the MTB:

1.  Changed the tires for the SAVA with Maxxis Crossmark.  Supposed to be 600 gms only and about 400 gms lighter vs the former supplied tires;
2.  Installed the large cogs - 11 - 42 vs the 11 -36 rusting loose gears;
3.  Installed new III PRO rotor disc at the rear.  have purchased the front 180 mm upgrade;  just awaiting the adopters

I may go for 2by and remove the 44 chain ring and attach a Deckas wide narrow but retain the 24 chain ring  (so that I still enjoy very wide range of gears)

There are no more upgrades.   Just have to keep cleaning and polishing this.   

Saturday, May 8, 2021

Saw a great bike mechanic today.

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.08.2021




One of our kapadyak had a fd derrailleur that jammed in popular biking spot.   A bystander referred us to a bike shop and we saw about a hundred meters away from where the bike RD jammed.  The problem escaped the attention who simply kept oiling the chain.  The problem also escaped me;  I simply tightened the cable which solved the problem for a while

The mechanic, son of Doods, who hails from Negros Oriental saw that the FD angle was twisted (did the bike crash?  Yes).   In a matter of 5 minutes the problem was solved.  

And then the rear wheelset of another one whose  rear wheel need alignment took a little bit more time.  (They had a truing stand)  He got it right but not 100% because the tire was suspect.   

Great mechanic for a very young man.  

Young riders agog over a Chinese Carbon fiber brand

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.08.2021









While waiting for a biking companion to have the bike repaired somewhere in Antipolo, a number of young riders clustered around my newly acquired carbon fiber bike acquired during the birthday of an e commerce platform.  This post got this unit really cheap, albeit with the unit being wrong.  I ordered 27.5, I got a 29;   I ordered yellow I got black.  I ordered Shimano GS, I got Retrospec.

Rather than  engaging in negativity and returning the bike, this post elected to stay put, swallow my pride  Anyway it us cheap (it costs about P45K;  it has remote lock and the Retrospect WS works fine.  The crank employs hollow tech.  However, the bike characteristically Chinese, was a heavy unit despite the brochure claim of 11.7 kg weight.   Defintely my Mosso bike with XT groupset was a lot lighter.  I would guess its weight to be around 13 kg.

The young guys 1,  wanted to touch the bike   2.  experience the bike 3 and buy the bike and joked about selling his kidney  

One of the Recyclists who saw this wanted to buy a Twitter CF too.  

It is available at VMP.  Available models are Storm, Mantis.  One display unit has a SRAM SX loaded into it.  Its discounted price is about P45K

Great customer service at a relative's lbs

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.08.2021






This post recommended to an acquaintance a P10K price level MTB for 27.5. 7 speed with hydraulic brakes (great for its price)   However the owner noted that there was a rear wheel wiggle and therefore a warranty check up or repair was needed.    This was done, and the wheel was trued;  However it was later found out that the wheel defect was due to the tire.   

On the way home, the RD failed.   Fortunately for my acquaintance  VMP replaced the RD.  

Thanks Mr. Jorge Calingo, and Rommel, Virgilio for the great. CS

MTB powertrain upgrade for only P1,000 each

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.08.2021




After weeks of research and reading e commerce platforms, and soc media trading site, this post finally settled for a cogset of only P1K for 10 speed 10 -42 for its upgrade of MTB.

I did not have to use a lot of tools or add ons:  chain links or goat link;  and no case of chain dropping off if I back pedal.    I have a scare moment though when the 11t malfunctioned.  It was a mounting error.   I was not able to seat the 11t cog correctly into the cog.  Otherwise it was perfect upgrade  DIY
(I upgraded my two MTBs and on line seller had his field day.   -  Kyle Cruz

The upgrade could have cost upwards to P20K if it was for a upgrade kit for SRAM, -  NX or GX 
or P15k for an SX upgrade;   or for Shimano 13k to 20K upgrade to Deore.  But these are 11 and 12 speed all ready.  I do not need 11 or `12 speed for my upgrade (a 12 speed from Forever and Tweeter are available.   Forever at about P29k, and Twitter Storm for P50k)

Of if I elected to go Shimano, thi would have set me back by P5K to P9k depending on the model;  or Sunrace at sale was P3K plus.   

With a 42t, I can let it go for 3by or 2b or 1by.   Its a matter of 8t between 50t and 42t and gains will be marginal.  If I go 2by, I will have a wider range of gears compared to say 32 by 11 -50 combination   

I am happy with this upgrade.  In my practice ride this morning, the extra 6 teeth (from 36 teeth I have now) makes a lot of difference -  the legs are fresher and less huffing and puffing at heels.

Plus the pride that:   1.  I did it myself;  2.  I spent for only 1k    3.   That I am trending with younger bikers who love to go 1by.   

Thursday, May 6, 2021

Ways to slow down the aging process

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.06. 2021




The advice was (to slow down aging)

      1.  Exercise
      2.  Do occasional High Intensity Interval Training
      3.  Go with young people

I did this early in the morning today:  the exercise and HIIT

This afternoon, hung out with the young bikers at Wawa.  I wonder if I am looking much younger.

Alum MTB Twitter

Wheels of Happiness

Rizal Philippines
5.06.2021






I passed by a bike shop and learned that their store (VMP) is selling MTB alum T...er bikes for 19,600.  vs my carbon fiber which I got for P26K+     Exactly the same package except for the:   remote fork lock out,  and the  carbon fiber.  But it had Sugek cogs, Retrospect FD and RD, and crank.   How come the price difference for carbon is only P5K+

I wonder.

But the said bike brand is all over the place, it is available in many places - Tarlac, Cavite, Laguna, Rizal (Pasig City)

And in many categories:  road bike, alum MTB, alum road bike, carbon fiber road bike, titanium bikes. 

Is it the brand to watch?

The same time last 3 years ago, I got a Sava Carbon fiber for the same amount  3 x 9; but I eventually disposed off the same for being heavy and with so so groupset.  I guess the more desirable units are shod with XT, Shimano, and SRAM group sets